If you heard a B-list actor, but an A-list corporate spy was on The Chad & Cheese Podcast, would you listen? Well, today’s your lucky day. The boys welcome Robert Kerbeck, author of “Ruse: Lying the American Dream from Hollywood to Wall Street,” to the podcast. Through a career that started in the ’80s, peaked during the Y2K scare and continues today through folklore, the podcast explores tips and tricks – not only for corporate espionage – but for recruiting / poaching, job searching, and even corporate security.

Oh, and there are stories about O.J., Madonna, and Steve Jobs too. Enjoy.